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Wrist Shots(plus an ankle shot too):
Upper Case cover with Rotatable GMT marker bezel n FLAT Plexi assembly:
Outside of the Lower Caseback cover has the Czech Air Force is engraved "MAJETEK VOJENSKE SPRAVY" with Military Issue No. "2550" engraved.
These engravings are crisps n clear:
Inside the Caseback cover with Longines punched markings, "ACIER ANTICORRO"
including the Case Reference nos. 20314 n Longines production no. 65, as it should be:
The Original n Beautiful Porcelain enamel Dial n Inner Case assembly:
The Dial is in fair wear n tear conditions, with absolutely NO cracks, minor chipping on its outer edges..
Minor crazing is synonymous on aged porcelain enamel Black dial, this minor presence can be seen up close
around the 12~1 o'clock, 9~10 o'clock n along the outer edge dial surface hidden area
which could be caused by burn from long period of idle exposed under the fallen Radium lume material from its hands...
n the rotatable GMT marker, which are still luminous under UV light source.
Inner Case Longines Production Nos. punched on its edge, as it should be:
Watch Movement Cal.15.26ABC being the rarest batch produced for Czech Air Force:
This movement is still in beautiful n very good running conditions after nearly 8 decades.
Loose fixed bar at 6 o'clock lugs, but this bar stays in place.(12 o'clock position bar is fixed)
Here are the original article in Italian written extensively about these special pilot watches.
In the article published, it is mentioned that at the time prior to or during the start of WW2..
there could be some 6 thousands of the Czech Airforce pilots from 1935~WW2 or so.
A couple of thousands of them had served with the Britain RAF, while others served the Polish Air Force n French Air Force.
Another forum article from renown Orologi & Passioni that covers extensive discussions on WW2 Longines Military timepieces..
Amongst which there is a particularly interesting page that mentioned the Longines Czech Majetek watches...
In which the author says...
"I open this topic with the hope of to please despite the terrible heat. I will try to bring together the references which I collected by type and list them gradually over time. It is not easy to collect data and, above all, the material. I hope the forumusti more experienced and knowledgeable can actively contribute to making the topic useful to everyone.
Let's start with the so-called "model tartarugone" because of the very original shape of the case.
The references of this model are different as well as the finishing of the dial.
In 1938 the "Czecholosvak Air Force" endowed its pilots of a Longines timepiece comes with leather strap to be worn above the pilot's suit. The first models of these watches were equipped with the 15.94 movement with 15 rubies and in production since 1904.In later were equipped with the 15:26 movement, but since 1939 the 15.68z caliber was definitely the movement of this referenza.Solo the two latest models were anti-magnetic, important feature in a cockpit of aircraft.
The first references were the black enamel dial, a feature that made the surface of the very same delicate and perishable. The latest references were equipped with matt black dial, typical of military references era.
All references are equipped with rotating bezel with pointer for the determination of a predetermined time.
It seems that, given the urgency of the first delivery, the Czechoslovak air force did not wait marking the bottoms of the first timepiece ordered and over. Only later they were marked with serial transmission and the words "majetek Vojenské Správy". It is believed that the provision was limited to a number of about 3,000 pieces.
You can find a ride with the engraving done by hand with "Letecke za" (to use force). (Data extrapolated from the book Military time pieces of ZM Wesolowski)
The references I have found:
In a model with a 15.94 caliber there is reference but the serial movement ...........
I did not really words to congratulate you and all voi..avete created one of the most beautiful and interesting topic that I've ever seen ..."
O's own notes:
That would be referring to this specifically...
n it should be the exact case serial nos. of the watch currently in O's possession being offered for sale exclusively in MWR forum market
In addition to that record, the author also mentions that the total of 3 series productions by Longines issued to the Czech Air Force...
from 1935 until the WW2 were perhaps merely 3000 pieces or so...of which the 2nd batch were produced n issued with the least of possibly in few hundred watches only...
that has the thicker Porcelain enamel Dial n fitted with the rarer Cal. 15.26ABC movement...
Ref 3582, the Longines Czech Majetek Airforce Pilots watch, or so called "Tartarugone"..by the Italians.
Case no. 20314, Cal. 15.26(ABC) movement no. 5,730,949
(according to the Longines Serial nos. page published,
this movement is dated to 1938 or so...)
Case size of the watch is 40mm x 52mm(width excluding winding crown vs. length between the lugs),
which is considered a HUGE watch by those early standards...
Most if not all Longines Czech FS or sold in fairly recent times..
belonged to the 1st Cal. 15.94 or the 3rd Cal. 15.68 batch...of these issued watches...
while the majority of these Longines FS or sold in fairly recent times also...are the Civilian watches...
(trying to piggy back on the real deal...or to steal the thunder so to speak)
Touching on the matter of Porcelain Dial...
Many of the 1st batch issued watch dials did not survived...simply because the 1st batch Porcelain dial is a tad bit thinner.
Those that did...has big chunks of chipping right around the edge of the dial...due to careless handling n shocked etc.
This one buddy is NOT far from being flawless...if O may stress it to be so...considering that the watch is near to being 8 decades old.
The crystal is absolutely FLAT as it should be for pilots to see the dial more clearly in actions of the wrist being busy...
tilted all the time whilst flying...n O firmly believes this feature is only true for issued watches of this sort...
Many then seen were fitted with later or earlier with dome plexi from the Civilians specs...in O's own opinion that is.
Also, the Radium GMT marker is intact n original...
Many watches have lost this or the markers were repaired or stuck on with the freaking glue...
so is the same on hands, even the minute hands has lost most of its Radium lumes...
traces of the remaining material on the minute hand is still luminous...
Then again, the provenance of an issued watch, n it is the exact watch featured in the article n book by the Italian writer or experts on these watches
to say the least...
O is no expert on issued watches...n still learning about them..
BUT that said...when O sees this watch even for the very 1st time(O never knew about these watches before to be honest)
O knows the watch is 100% honest...NOT a cooked up or mixed n matched put together watch...
n that it could even be in 100% Original specs.
Last but not the least...the case is still looking in its original shape from factory...NOT been repolished before...
There is also NO rusting(except slightly on the fixed bars)
NO dents, NO deep scratches, NO nothing negative about the case...nor the entire watch to be precise.
On a side note:
O learns since that many of the Czech Air Force pilots had fled to neighbouring Poland, France n eventually
many of the Czech Air Force pilots had served in the Britain's Royal Air Force...at the start of the WW2 in the Battle of Britain...
such a watch might even have played an important role or contributed to the victory of the Battle of Britain for the matter...
10 July – 31 October 1940??
The Selling price of this watch, As Is Head Only, is USD 9,500 O.B.O.
inclusive of shipping by FEDEX...but excludes Insurance.
Payment in USD by Wire Transfer only.
Return is acceptable(if returned in the same conditions as posted in here) n LESS its shipping costs,
if the watch is found to be not as described, n O is notified within the 1st day of its delivery/arrival.
Plenty of pictures of this watch are available n can be sent by email or via Whatsapp.
Thanks very much for watching...
Or by Whatsapp would be fine as well.
Cell phone(Malaysia): +6016 328 0244
Or +6016 264 2444
Here are addtional pictures n informations which might relate to this amazing watch:
Here is the Longines pictured alongside the IWC MK.11...
One can see the clear difference just by comparison in size n legibility of both these famed military pilot watches...
The Longines being designed n produced in something like more than a decade earlier, before the IWC MK.11...
is by far much larger.