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Have a look at this piece, on, suggesting that TAG-Heuer "shot itself in the foot" with the launch of the new movement --

I have not read it in detail, but it looks like an interesting report.



: I am too busy with work to get into the details at the moment,
: but I wanted our readers to be aware of a controversy that has
: been brewing, relating to TAG-Heuer's intorduction of its new
: in-house movement, the Cal. 1887.


: Sorry to have to rely on other forums, to get you the information,
: but here is a quick recap:

: Here is a posting describing the new movement --

: Some readers on TimeZone immediately post messages suggesting that
: this movement is nothing more than the Seiko --
: =

: And here is the text af a message, from Jean-Christophe, posted on
: WatchUseek --

: Hi, I'm J.C. Babin the CEO of TAG Heuer, and YES, the new Caliber
: 1887 is based on a SII (Seiko Instruments Inc.) TC78 platform
: developped and patented in 1997 (filing) and eversince produced
: in very limited quantities, apparently for Junghans and Seiko
: watches in Japan. The caliber we propose and announced last week
: in London is a major evolution of this platform even though I
: aknowledge that the overall construction may look similar at
: first glance. However, the TAG Heuer movement is much different
: in terms of components, size and eventually performances, not to
: mention it is manufactured (all its key components including
: plate, bridges, assortment, cannon pinion, eccentrics etc....)
: in Switzerland in TAG Heuer workshops of Cornol (Cortech - a
: company owned by TAG Heuer and already producing TAG Heuer and
: Zenith cases) and La Chaux-de-Fonds (where we have also the HQs
: and where we added 30.000 sq feet more last year for movements
: assembling and other manufacturig projects) as well as from
: "best in class" partners such as Nivarox.

: - Dimensions: it's broader (29.3 mm vs 28 mm) and thinner (7.13 mm
: vs 7.27 mm)

: - Therefore the main plate, bridges - especially the chronograph
: bridge - and oscillating mass have been significantly modified
: to allow this evolution

: - Its assortment is a swiss asortment specifically developped by
: Nivarox for TAG Heuer, and allowing to improve further accuracy
: and shocks resistancy

: - New assortment centring of the balance wheel also specifically
: developped by KIF, a leading swiss expert company in balance
: wheels centrings

: - Change and development of a new swiss engineered cannon pinion to
: increase time-setting overtime reliability

: - Redesign of the fixing of ball bearings of the mass to contribute
: reducing the thickness

: - Adjustements to pass the famous "60 TAG Heuer torture
: tests" in terms of accuracy, reliability, thermical and
: physical shocks resistancy, chemical agressions etc....

: We have today already 45 TAG Heuer people working full time on that
: project in Switzerland and work with 21 other suppliers for
: additional parts, most being swiss. Total investment is several
: tenth of mio USD.

: I would therefore qualify that movement as really in-house and
: manufactured by TAG Heuer even though, yes, the original IP has
: been acquired from SII. Please note that the original SII
: Caliber has always been praised by watches experts.

: I hope I answer your questions as well as our fellow Watchuseek
: lovers !!!

: Good evening - JCB
: I will be posting more information and photos re this new movement,
: but I wanted our readers to at least be aware of the controversy
: (and the response from Jean-Christophe Babin).

: For anyone who might be asking the question, "So what are the
: Seikos that use this movement?", have a look here at their
: amazing Flightmaster . I've got to think that TAG-Heuer will do
: just fine with its new movement!!

: Bravo, to the home team; well done, Jean-Christophe!!

: Jeff


Messages In This Thread

Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Mr. Babin, you're posting here is much-appreciated ...
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Jean-Christophe: Thank You for This Message
My money is on a Carrera *NM*
Re: Faithful repro of Carrera or Pvd Monza.
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Named after the year Heuer has introduced pignon oscillant? *NM*
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My Comments, Posted on Perpetualle
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Hello OnTheDash, and...
Thanks for the Message, Kyle
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Re: . . . and In WorldTempus.Com
Who Can Translate (or Paraphrase) the French
Re: Who Can Translate (or Paraphrase) the French
Your translation is better than Microsoft's "Bing" version!!
Merci beaucoup! Machine will never replace humans.. LOL *NM*
Post Questions About Cal 1887; Then We Can Ask JCB to Visit
Possible configurations
Marketing asset too
cain and abel?
Re: Controversy About the New TAG-Heuer Mvmnt: Cal 1887
Jean-Christophe Says that Registers are at "3" and "9"
Re: Jean-Christophe Says that Registers are at "3" and "9"
Great Reporting, David!! Well Done, Jean-Christophe!!
Thanks Jeff
Seiko Flightmaster
Seiko based 1887
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